Pre War Singer Radiator information & Bicester

For now, I lumped all the pre-war cars together, I would LOVE for there to be enough demand to split it into groups (hint...hint, post here about your pre-war Singer)
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Pre War Singer Radiator information & Bicester

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Hello All,

Saw an entry on Colin B's enterprising thread about his Singer 10 that touched on a topic important to many of us.

As our cars age, their radiators --not stout stuff when first created-- succumb to electrolysis. They are brass and aluminium vessels held together with silver solder, a bad start, and we ask them to contain a slightly pH basic solution at high temperature and under pressure. It's not unlike asking a person to have teeth without looking after them: the results are going to be progressively disappointing.

Our cars' radiators have succumbed to 1) time 2) corrosion 3) abuse 4) mis-matched anti-freeze and 5) time ( I said it twice, but not to be annoying: they weren't designed to last for 80+ years, particularly in a thermo-syphon system which has liabilities all its own).

Along with the esoteric approach to cooling posed by a thermo-syphon systetm, the pattern of Singers' radiator fin matrix is also unique, resembling interlocked back-to-back chevrons.

I learned more about this when in England a couple of years ago while attending one of the monthly car shows at Bicester, the repurposed WWII landing field in Oxfordshire, UK that now houses a concentration of numerous automotive specialists. It's a form of petrol head heaven, with one-stop shopping its aim.

At Vintage Car Radiator Company ( http://www.vintagecarradiatorcompany.co.uk/ ) there was a familiar radiator on his work table, a Singer unit. I got it from the 'horses mouth' when I inquired about recoring our radiators: the chap who runs business said the matrix pattern used by Singer is no longer available and in fact has not been produced for many years.

Inquiring about the feasibility of having dies made to recreate the interlocking chevron pattern and he said it would be prohibitively expensive. (What we need is several exceedingly wealthy Singer sponsors to pony up £5000 apiece... :shock: )

If you are going to be in the UK near London, may I suggest planning your trip so you have the opportunity to go to Bicester for one of the monthly car shows? When there I saw over 400 cars of every stripe: we visited a magneto repair shop, a trimmers and the facility that pertains to this thread. And flavors I had never seen. It was Wonderful.

Going to Bicester is worthwhile without the car show, but as Mae West said, "Too much of a good thing can be wonderful". The experience of visiting the specialty shops is great, but give yourself the opportunity to have the full experience: check the schedule to see what weekend has a car show, so you can do both.

Along with Singers and Sunbeams I am interested in Jaguars. On the week end that I visited Bicester, Phillip Porter, renowned Jaguar researcher, writer and owner of 3600 HP, the 1961 Geneva Show car and earliest surviving production E Type coupe, was there with that car. It was an amazing experience altogether. Give it to yourself if at all possible: you won't ever be quite the same, if only for having visited a place that contributed to the saving of the Western world as we know it during the Battle of Britain. Oh, yes: there are also vintage air machines to be seen as the facility is still an active air field, along with a storage facility for vintage cars and airplanes.

Bon Voyage. Let us know if you go, and if you like, share your impressions with words and pictures.

Very Best,

David
Very Best,

David
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I just looked them up David - less than 2 hours away from me and I had no idea they were there. I will definitely be visiting!
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Hi Colin,

You'd best plan to make a day of it; there is so much there to see.

The weekend that I attended I saw vehicles I'd never known of: an open wheel Aston Martin Formula Car (!), a brilliant art deco wonder from Triumph, American muscle, at least 45 E Types in various states of personalisation, which was fascinating in itself, there were a couple of coaches, one made by Thomas Harrington. The place is a cross between a candy store and the movie Brazilia. It's amazing and incomprehensible to have so much talent in one place it's honestly a bit surreal.

Please check in with me after you've gone there. I'd really like to hear your impressions.

Now, back at it. You've got Work to do.

8)
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I will indeed report back David. In the meantime I pulled a muscle in my back while gardening so things have been a little slow this week!
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Gardening is a very dangerous occupation Colin; it should have an HSE extreme warning! Hope the back is better soon.
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Colin,

Gardening is a known carcinogen. Please inform your devoted wife so she will allow you back into the garage when you back is healed to keep company with harmless materials like Mineral Spirits, lacquer thinner and crankcase oil. You'll be right as rain in no time. And likely on a contact high as well..

All that said, backs out are no fun whatever. Hope you're already on the mend. As my fiancée needs continual physical assistance, I have no choice but to do core strengthening exercises every morning. It's helped immeasurably.

Take care and heal. See a PT if needs be.

Cheers, Mate
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ha ha! Thanks Chaps: back on my feet and back in the shed. :D
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The next Bicester 'Open Day' is their Renaissance Meeting this coming Sunday:

https://bicesterheritage.co.uk/whaton/h ... naissance/

I've been to Bicester a couple of times and can thoroughly recommend the experience; here are just a few pics from one of their 'Brunch' events:

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My slight frustration is that the next Sunday Scramble at Bicester on 7th October clashes with Heritage Day at Old Warden which has non-competitive races for pre-1939 cars as well as an air show from their fascinating Shuttleworth collection. I think I'll do the Old Warden as I believe that is an annual event. Whichever I do I'll post pictures!
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Hi Colin,

The sights were so familiar and distinctive, I felt I was with you. Thanks so much for going and sharing the photos: I still want to exhort people to attend one of these occasions, even with the encouragement of your sharing.

Seeing the Type 57 Bugatti was also a treat. While you were in Bicester, my friends and I went to the Vintage Festival at Lime Rock Park, a delightful race track in northeastern Connecticut --where Massachusetts, New York and Connecticut intersect. It's a beautiful area with roads that wind through a combination of open land, horse farms and roads with great elevation changes at the foothills of the Berkshire mountains.

I had stopped to photograph a striking two-tone green meadow bathed in late afternoon sun when I heard a familiar cacophony approaching. Very little takes me from photography: it may be a more passionate connection for me than cars, and that's going some. Like the child in 'Twas the Night Before Christmas, I ran to the window and threw up the sash...

Three period Bugattis were screaming along those silent, sinuous, sunwashed roads in close formation: a little Brescia so tidy and tiny that the occupants were tightly shoulder to shoulder, an elegant blue-black Type 37, and a clapped out banana yellow Type 35 with a canvas luggage bag strapped over its near side spare. From their posture, I could see that all on board were fully engulfed in the pleasures of setting and senses. It was a brilliant beginning to a remarkable weekend.

Please post more photos when next you visit Bicester. It was great to see these. Thank you.
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it was Mike C who posted the pictures David. I haven't been yet but I'm looking forward to visiting soon!
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Hi Mike C, Hi Colin,

Wouldn't you think I could pay Attention?! Thanks Colin, for setting me straight and to MikeC for not being put off.

Sorry Mike C about not acknowledging you as the source of the very nice photos from Bicester. Made me happy to see them.

As much as I love Mothy's closing quote, mine might more likely be "Any day you see or hear a Bugatti is a day not wasted". That does, however, also apply to Singers.

And the odd Sunbeam

or Jaguar...
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No problems, David. I was just sitting back waiting to see if anyone spotted your mistake :lol:
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I have decided to go to the Shuttleworth Vintage day on 7th October - it comprises non-competitive racing between pre-1939 cars and an airshow based on their fantastic collection of historic aircraft including the oldest original aircraft in the world that is still flying. It was irresistible! I'll do Bicester at the next occasion after that.
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Hi Colin,

Well, under normal circumstances I would simply abandon any scheduled activities and head to Shuttleworth with you --inviting myself in obviously questionable taste. But this year that's not going to happen: it's the day after our wedding. I'll still be incredibly hung over...

And practicing the new mantra 'Yes Dear'

I Love the idea of non-competitive racing as that's the way I've played numerous sports for many years. Hope you have a great time. Let us know how you find the event, would you?

Cheers,

David
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