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New Owner Here

Postby 2001f4s » Sat May 03, 2014 11:36 pm

Just picked up a 1950 4A. Runs, drives and stops. Has some minor niggles, but nothing out of the ordinary for British cars. While I am looking forward to the challenge of finding parts, thought I would start by seeing if anyone can direct me towards options for oil filters, adaptors, or spacers. Rubber seal at bottom of windshield above scuttle, and although I think I asked this earlier, exhaust system suggestions. Mine is toast. I can have one fabricated by a local exhaust shop or if you all recommend something I will take a look. Thank you for your consideration.
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Re: New Owner Here

Postby mattm » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:47 am

Scott: Did you have any luck finding parts? I have a 1951 4A very much apart and in need of an engine. If you know of an engine, I'd appreciate the lead. Matt

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Re: New Owner Here

Postby Phillip » Wed May 03, 2017 7:33 pm

Hey Scott

I owned and restored Singer Roadsters for many years before going totally pre-war. My only post-war Singer now is 1928, which means post great war!

Paul Beck in the UK carries a great conversion for the oil filter:

https://www.vintagecarparts.co.uk/produ ... tridge-zr1

Details:

This filter has the following original references - AC ZR1, Crossland 473, Crossland A40U, Fram PS5PL, Fram PS5A, Wipac CA453, Wix 5T, Wix WF5.

ASCO in the UK should be able to supply the rubber windshield sealing strip. The late Bill Haverly, the famous ASCO Roadster Registrar, used to have batches made. It has a particular profile. Dave Green, our NASOC parts man may also have a couple in stock. Paul Beck can probably supply a more generic version that will work as well. He has a good line of rubber items.

Woolies in the UK carries this item that will work also. I use it on my pre-war cars:

http://www.woolies-trim.co.uk/p-1798-ru ... usion.aspx

The most popular muffler for the Roadster seems to be one adapted from a Ferguson tractor. The original was actually quite long and hangs on a rubber mounting ( the same as used on the leaf springs ) outside the chassis rail. I used to use a round Thrush performance muffler as it had an original look and was cheap and easy to replace. Not sure that these are sold any more. My last Roadster had a stainless steel system by Bill Haverly.

Hope that helps!

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Re: New Owner Here

Postby 2001f4s » Sun May 07, 2017 1:11 pm

Philip, thanks so much for the insight. I am now to the point where I am piecig the car back together. It is complete for the most part, but as you well know a slow labor of love with prepping all parts for reassembly.

I ended up buying 2 stock oil filters from the UK Singer Club Stash, and I ended up with a "patch" exhaust from a tractor. A little loud, but I daylighted the exhaust tip right at the back of the drivers door. I will have it reworked for exit out of the back of the car. Hopefully making it slightly "quieter" in the cockpit.

I appreciate you taking the time to respond. I may trouble you with more questions, if you don't mind as the reassembly moves forward.

Scott

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Re: New Owner Here

Postby Phillip » Sun May 07, 2017 3:12 pm

Hey Scott,

My pleasure to assist and please feel free to ask questions. I have some Roadster spares left over so if you are looking for anything, please ask. I might post a lot of the stuff in the parts for sale once I get a chance.

The following info may help in regards to mufflers: It's been a few years since my last Roadster, but I think the exhaust tube diameter was @ 1 1/2".

These were two options in the tractor range:

1: Massey- Ferguson Muffler, horizontal, round. 1-1/2" inlet ID, 1-1/2" outlet OD, 34" OA length, 3-1/4" diameter. Tractors: TO20, TO30, TO35 Continental gas; MF35 Perkins diesel, MF135.Product No. -- 505545M92 | UPC -- 758351771017

2: Horizontal MUFFLER Ford 2N 2-N 8N 8-N 9N 9-N Tractor
Heavy-duty horizontal muffler. Inlet 1-1/2" I.D., outlet 1-1/2" O.D., body length 23". Tractors: 9N, 2N, 8N (1939-1952). -- M1002

Photo as follows:

Massey Furguson_Roadster.jpg


It would be easy to cut down the outlet tube length and add the standard design Roadster tailpipe. The body length of 23" needs to be checked to ensure that it fits in the space along the frame rail under the running board. These certainly have a period look!

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Re: New Owner Here

Postby 2001f4s » Mon May 08, 2017 2:22 pm

H Phillip,

I ended up with a different shorter and I assume noisier trctor muffler. So I will take a look at the one you recommend, I am also interested in parts, so if you are open to send me the details, my e-mail address is: a56healey@gmail.com.

Thank you again
Scott

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Re: New Owner Here

Postby Phillip » Tue May 09, 2017 1:46 am

Hey Scott,

Here's a great photo from Fred Tag's 4AD restoration album. Looks like he may have used the muffler I mentioned...or something very similar:

Fred Tag muffler.jpg
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This is a great view to show the location and set-up of the muffler assembly. Fred mounted the system differently to the original, but the installation is sweet!

I'll be in touch with a list of spares...

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Re: New Owner Here

Postby fly4ad » Tue May 09, 2017 3:20 pm

Thanks Phillip, I was in the process of posting this picture but you beat me to it. Yes it is the same muffler as shown above, I acquired mine from Summit Racing. The OEM mounting calls for one single large support clamp in the center of the muffler which attaches to the frame rail. As I can tell, that is the only support between the back of the car and the exhaust manifold. I was a bit uncomfortable with that so I decided to take advantage of the body mount lugs and positioned the exhaust pipe/muffler joints directly under them. The flexible hangers are bolted to the frame and attach to the clamps that secure the muffler to the pipes. This setup seems flexible enough but with a little extra security. I used cheap PVC pipe to make a pattern for the exhaust pipes, using heat to form it where the bends would go. I then took the patterns to a local muffler shop who custom made the front and rear pipes. After checking the fit, cutting them to proper length, and carefully positioning the exhaust manifold flange to the front pipe, I returned to the muffler shop for welding.

Hope this helps, have a great day!
Fred

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Re: New Owner Here

Postby 2001f4s » Thu May 11, 2017 2:35 pm

Thanks Fred and Phillip. Absolutely helpful. I will check out Summit Racing for the muffler.

Scott

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Re: New Owner Here

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Re: New Owner Here

Postby Phillip » Fri May 12, 2017 2:42 am

Hey Fred,

Something slightly hilarious about the fact that Summit Racing sells tractor mufflers!

It is indeed the same beast!
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